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To: RICHARD MENEDETTER, From: BBSING BBS
Time: Wednesday, 7-31-19, 10:15
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To RM, NA, and everyone else.
-=> Richard Menedetter wrote to Nick Andre <=-

 RM> Hi Nick!

 RM> Sorry for the late reply ...

 RM> 14 Aug 2017 04:38, from Nick Andre -> Richard Menedetter:

 NA> While that may be true, the information available is in most cases no
 NA> different than one can (and have) obtained from libraries.
I think the quality has dropped considerably even over the past few years.
I've looked at some news .. what they claim is news, and its a single short
paragraph with large font surrounded by tones of add space. Libraries have
books with lots of pages.

But on the other side there is really good information out there but I don't
see that information being desiged as a general rule, and for the masses.
The
primary interface for users today is their cell phone and althought the
screen
sizes are decent they content delievery is short bites. However people now
claim they have understanding, where they mean they've heard of it. They see
these short bites of info and don't know that isn't understanding, and
hardly
clasifies as knowledge, but to the ignorant, you don't know what you don't
know
and the less you do know the more you think you know.

 RM> You have much easier access to geographically diverse information.
This is true.

 RM> Etc.

 NA> Remember the early to mid 90's... The world did not suddenly morph
 NA> into some magical utopia when the Internet became popular, nor would
 NA> the "information superhighway" bring us together or improve our social
 NA> standings with eachother by removing those geographical limits.
I wish this was the case. That was my hope and dream and still is, the
information age! We could have it, but corps ... they've stolen the dream!
data
became a traded commodity vs its real use information, not money. It could
be a
lot cheaper, but ... its just being monetized.. like that is what drives
people, .. usually no, but due the collective consciousness of corps about
the
all gains and growth vs all good and sustained, everyone has to play their
game
or fall behind financially and literacy (must keep working). The information
age should have set many free, and make us more freer people!

 RM> It depends on how technology is used.
 RM> But the fact remains that it is now much quicker and easier to
 RM> communicate with people from other continents, etc.
This is what allows the dumbing down, while it could also allow global
education and understanding, but .. what is going on? Separation, ignorance,
misunderstanding, misinformation at a rapid pace on a global scale.


 NA> In fact, I think the opposite happened. People by and large just stare
 NA> off into their smartphones, or are addicted to Facebook, or seem
 NA> compelled to share pictures of what theyre about to have for supper.
 NA> Cybercrime is more advanced and prevailent than ever nowadays.
Agree! I've asked people why, why take a picture of your food, how many
times
have you looked at those pictures going back ... say 7 years. They don't
really
have good answers, not answers for reasons that would be logical, but more
so
about feelings or emotional based reasons.

 RM> There we are again, that it depends on how technology is used.
 RM> And it also requires more education on the user side.
 RM> Eg. checking the crowd sizes for inauguration and to fact check "fake
 RM> news"
Its nutty how fake news is spreading. At one point people were able to shed
light on major media corps with simple small cameras and posting them on the
internet, even some of the older smart phones, but now.. now you can be put
in
place of another and it can be almost undetectable. This was all before
major
censorship over the past 1.5 years.

 NA> I realise its not all doom and gloom and there are a few good websites
 NA> out there, but IMO western society's social skillset and intelligence
 NA> level did not improve whatsoever by the Internet.
Not all doom and gloom is true. Think about how we (us on this board use the
nets vs, basic smart phoners).

 RM> That is why education is important.
 RM> People need to LEARN to use the tools that are already widely
 RM> available.
Yes they do, but the tools are being produced and changes so fast, they
have to
be simplified and dummied down for users to understand them, and this is
creating quality problems as well.

 RM>> The Internet is just a tool for communication.
 RM>> You need to select with WHOM you communicate.
 NA> I really wish I could share the same sentiments, truth is, the
 NA> Internet is by and large powered by companies who by and large earn
 NA> profits by tracking and manipulating individual's on-line activity.
 NA> Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.
I agree with both of you. Turn on encryption and start communicating with
each
other without allowing the giants to take and your comms and use them to
turn
us all into the product.

 -> education
 RM> Learn to use Privacy Badger, Adaware and other useful tools.
I'll have to look this up.

 RM> EFF is usually a good read on those topics.
 RM> One interesting part is browser fingerprinting.
 RM> https://panopticlick.eff.org/


Hi everyone, I'm back and its been a long long time but I was off working on
some project that took my attention and I wasn't able to get back to this
really interesting topic.

I've really liked to confirm the internet is in-part dumbing down people.
I've
looked up a lot of information and although I use the internet for the
research
its been interesting to see the change in available general indexed internet
search results. Since the last posts I've made we've seen several changes
like
censorship, and straight out psyops, or behavior control. Now many of us
older
computer users, knew of the warning signs delivered from the olden day
underground aka hackers, but for the masses.. they have no clue, and will
never
have a clue and will never care.

So the other day I was watching netflix ... The Great Hack .. and watching
it
knowing that other companies are performing psyops on the masses, but they
are
getting better and better at it.

I've also had the opportunity to work with people and talk to people about
today's younger workers, and while I've observed the zombie like almost
unbreakable attention to their smart phone, and they stroke the phone like
Golem loves the precious, ... but they have a real real hard time dealing
with
others when having to focus or remember what they are being told.


Hey sorry no name in sig, .. still way to scared to do so. The internet has
also made very vindictive people these days, OSI.. is getting toooo easy.

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